Comments on: Apple Doesn’t Want Flash on iPhone

By: 10 things Apple did right in 2009

10 things Apple did right in 2009 — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:20:47 +0000

[...] as mere marketing, seeing as how the standard isn’t finalized. Oh but it is so much more. Apple doesn’t want Flash on iPhone, but that’s how most video is delivered on the Web. If Apple lets the Flash cat out of the [...]

By: A Personal Plea to Steve Jobs « Joe Wilcox

A Personal Plea to Steve Jobs « Joe Wilcox — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:07:00 +0000

[...] better. Sure, developers can now charge customers from within apps, but they’ve still got no Flash (from [...]

By: Avatar X

Avatar X — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:53:04 +0000

@Nick:

Of course:

MonoTouch is the version of the iphone:

http://www.mono-project.com/MonoTouch

1.0 MonoTouch limitations:
http://www.mono-project.com/MonoTouch:Limitations

MonoTouch 2.0 is the one that will have silverlight/moonlight on top of what they offer with Mono
http://www.mono-project.com/MonoTouch_Roadmap

Mono is already in Android Market for that matter. a version of MonoTouch for android 1.5 and WM6.5 should follow after MonoTouch iphone 1.0 launches or 2.0 launches since Miguel stated that Silverlight/Moonlight to app will be cross platform.

http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jun-29.html

By: Nick

Nick — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:01:02 +0000

@Avatar “the same goes for Mono/Moonlight project that got a way so you can develop the app in Silverlight/Moonlight and then convert it to the iphone native code.”

Hmm, that’s interesting. Do you know what that projects called, or what the limitations are?

By: Avatar X

Avatar X — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:07:15 +0000

still betting on this scenario. lets see which one comes first or if none of them get into the iphone in 2009.

But right now there is already replacement for this. a group of ex-adobe developer got a a way so you can develop in as3 and then the app gets translated to iphone native code.

the same goes for Mono/Moonlight project that got a way so you can develop the app in Silverlight/Moonlight and then convert it to the iphone native code.

By: billybob

billybob — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:03:27 +0000

Here’s hoping that HTML5 video will actually bring MORE features than what we have now.

For example, HTML5 allows chroma keying and face recognition with only a few lines of Javascript code, YouTube could provide this feature which is not even available in most video editing software.

http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/connecting-html5-video/

Remember all of this is being done inside the browser and does not use any special extensions.

By: Philosopher

Philosopher — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:38:35 +0000

Agreed. Once I started reading about HTML5, I finally became hopeful that Flash will eventually go by the wayside and Silverlight’s deadly lock-in to Microsoft won’t take hold and ram-rod Microsoft down the throats of everyone in the world. (As in, I do NOT hate broccoli, but I do NOT want to be force to eat nothing else EXCEPT broccoli all the time. And when I eat something other than broccoli, I do NOT expect to be sued for patent infringement by the broccoli monopoly.)

Here’s to the future! (clinking of glasses in the background). Let us hope that HTML5 comes quickly enough to allow ALL platforms, Microsoft, Apple, Linux, smart phones… EVERYONE.. to have the same level of function and enjoyment.

By: billybob

billybob — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:10:17 +0000

My PS3 running Ubuntu for PowerPC does not run Flash, neither does my new futuristic CPU from 2012. Both of them will run HTML5 if there is an open source browser that supports it (which there will be). It took Adobe years to finally come out with a 64-bit version of their plugin, how long would it take for a minority CPU/Platform?

I predict that YouTube will move to HTML5 video with a downgrade to Flash for IE users once Firefox 3.5 is out. They will be followed by the likes of Vimeo and the BBC iPlayer. This will hopefully be the key turning point. YouTube and the iPlayer both make special cases for the iPhone and serve up plain h264, it would be easier for them to just use the HTML5 video tag with a fallback.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:16:48 +0000

“Flash has a huge and loyal developer base, which even Microsoft couldn’t shake apart with Silverlight.”

Full disclosure: I’m a .NET developer, so I’m partial to Microsoft developer technologies.

That said, this comment is based on results for which the jury is still out. Silverlight 3 promises to be an amazing tool. Will it destroy Flash? No. Flash will be around for a long time because it has, as you say, a lot of loyalty and legacy. But the debate is far from over, and Microsoft has only just cleared its throat.

It took a decade, but the .NET Framework has effectively supplanted Java in new development for the Windows platform. Silverlight has a good shot of doing the same to Flash on the Internet. This race isn’t over yet.

By: Philosopher

Philosopher — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:45:59 +0000

My BlackBerry Curve plays Flash files from YouTube and a few other sites with surprising ease (especially considering that it’s only connecting via the slow EDGE network). I don’t do this a lot, but it works fine for the few times I need it.

My ASUS eee PC901 running Linux also plays Flash, both via the net and also from the stored .flv file on its SSD. (SMPlayer does a beautiful job).

Yeah, Adobe is the pits, but Flash is everywhere. It’s kind of like the on-line video equivalent of Windows on the desktop: You may view it as OK or you may view it as a steaming pile of dung, but it’s everywhere and that’s that.

Oh, and Firefox with AdBlock Plus installed (on Windows, Mac, and Linux) makes all of those Flash-based ads silently disappear as if they never existed. People who are still complaining about Flash-based ads sound to me as if they are west-bound travelers still complaining that their covered wagons are having trouble crossing the Mississippi.