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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Not the Myth, But the Fight Over the Man</title>
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		<title>By: whaterver</title>
		<link>http://www.oddlytogether.com/2009/07/its-not-the-myth-but-the-fight-over-the-man/comment-page-1/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>whaterver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, This is off-topic but some blog suggestions anyway:

could you post your thoughts on the Olympus Pen
and a comparison in your photo workflow between your time on windows and mac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, This is off-topic but some blog suggestions anyway:</p>
<p>could you post your thoughts on the Olympus Pen<br />
and a comparison in your photo workflow between your time on windows and mac</p>
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		<title>By: billybob</title>
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		<dc:creator>billybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Gates was not exactly a nice manager either.  I hear stories of him screaming in the face of employees.  Just the look on his face at the Microsoft Media Center demo was enough to convince me that he was not someone you would want to work for.

Bill seems to be a bully, whereas Steve is a perfectionist.  They will both shout at you but for different reasons.  Bill&#039;s great way to motivate employees was to tell them that all their ideas were the worst he had ever heard (except MS Bob which was probably a great idea).

Plus, he is just plain weird sometimes, apparently this is the same nodding he does when you are trying to have a meeting with him (just before he tells you that you are stupid).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qNVe024RvI

They are both trying to control people which is essentially the basis of management.  Everyone has their own method which fits with their style.  I think perfectionist is better than bully.  If you are a perfectionist and you are passionate then you are going to shout at people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Gates was not exactly a nice manager either.  I hear stories of him screaming in the face of employees.  Just the look on his face at the Microsoft Media Center demo was enough to convince me that he was not someone you would want to work for.</p>
<p>Bill seems to be a bully, whereas Steve is a perfectionist.  They will both shout at you but for different reasons.  Bill&#8217;s great way to motivate employees was to tell them that all their ideas were the worst he had ever heard (except MS Bob which was probably a great idea).</p>
<p>Plus, he is just plain weird sometimes, apparently this is the same nodding he does when you are trying to have a meeting with him (just before he tells you that you are stupid).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qNVe024RvI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qNVe024RvI</a></p>
<p>They are both trying to control people which is essentially the basis of management.  Everyone has their own method which fits with their style.  I think perfectionist is better than bully.  If you are a perfectionist and you are passionate then you are going to shout at people.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full disclosure: I&#039;ve never so much as managed a herd of yaks in my life.

I think with management as with engineering and most things you cannot just copy one aspect and expect a good result or at least not the same result in your product / company with all the other component/cultural differences.

Different companies also require different management styles. If what&#039;s written is true, then even Jobs knows that as his approach with Pixar is very different and hands off with John Lasetter (?) basically runs the show.

Developers and engineers that live and breathe their work need to be handled and encouraged very differently to say management accountants or fast food chain employees.
Engineers in particular i think have this bad habit of resisting their superiors if they don&#039;t respect them technically or feel their managers don&#039;t fully understand and appreciate every detail of what they created.

Aside: It would be funny if there actually were CEOs and managers out there copying the superficial aspects of Jobs just like some companies copy the superficial top layer of Apple&#039;s products...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full disclosure: I&#8217;ve never so much as managed a herd of yaks in my life.</p>
<p>I think with management as with engineering and most things you cannot just copy one aspect and expect a good result or at least not the same result in your product / company with all the other component/cultural differences.</p>
<p>Different companies also require different management styles. If what&#8217;s written is true, then even Jobs knows that as his approach with Pixar is very different and hands off with John Lasetter (?) basically runs the show.</p>
<p>Developers and engineers that live and breathe their work need to be handled and encouraged very differently to say management accountants or fast food chain employees.<br />
Engineers in particular i think have this bad habit of resisting their superiors if they don&#8217;t respect them technically or feel their managers don&#8217;t fully understand and appreciate every detail of what they created.</p>
<p>Aside: It would be funny if there actually were CEOs and managers out there copying the superficial aspects of Jobs just like some companies copy the superficial top layer of Apple&#8217;s products&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Posts about Steve Jobs as of July 2, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Steve Jobs as of July 2, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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